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N\u00e9e \u00e0 Moscou \u00e0 la fin de l\u2019Union sovi\u00e9tique, elle a grandi entre deux mondes \u2013 et ce regard \u00e9claire puissamment cette guerre qui s\u2019installe dans la dur\u00e9e.<\/p>\n<p>            <!-- partials\/article\/node.volt --><br \/>\n<!-- partials\/article\/node_text.volt --><\/p>\n<p class=\"node__paragraphe antonia-750r text-grey-800 pb-24 pb-md-32\">\nDans cette grande conversation, nous essayons de comprendre l\u2019invasion russe au-del\u00e0 du front\u00a0: ce qui se passe dans les familles, les villes, les esprits, et la fa\u00e7on dont les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s encaissent l\u2019\u00e9preuve. Nous parlons de l\u2019Ukraine fatigu\u00e9e mais non r\u00e9sign\u00e9e, de la peur tr\u00e8s concr\u00e8te de ce que signifierait une domination russe \u00e0 Kiev, de la mobilisation et de l\u2019endurance, mais aussi des tensions politiques qui appara\u00eetront in\u00e9vitablement le jour o\u00f9 la guerre cessera. C\u00f4t\u00e9 russe, Anna d\u00e9crit une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 fragment\u00e9e, contrainte, o\u00f9 beaucoup pr\u00e9f\u00e8rent ne pas voir la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 du conflit, entre propagande, \u00e9vitement, consentements partiels et strat\u00e9gies de survie.<\/p>\n<p>            <!-- partials\/article\/node.volt --><br \/>\n<!-- partials\/article\/node_media.volt --><\/p>\n<p>      <!-- partials\/article\/node.volt --><br \/>\n<!-- partials\/article\/node_text.volt --><\/p>\n<p class=\"node__paragraphe antonia-750r text-grey-800 pb-24 pb-md-32\">\nNous \u00e9voquons aussi les r\u00e9cits politiques qui circulent \u00e0 l\u2019Ouest \u2013 notamment autour de la l\u00e9gitimit\u00e9 de Zelensky \u2013 et ce que ces discours disent de notre propre rapport \u00e0 la guerre. Enfin, nous abordons la question la plus difficile\u00a0: la paix. A quoi ressemblerait-elle\u00a0? Qui peut la vouloir, qui peut la craindre\u00a0? Et pourquoi, parfois, le co\u00fbt de la paix peut sembler plus dangereux que le co\u00fbt de la guerre \u2013 pour ceux qui gouvernent. 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